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Posted by John Hoare on 13:59, 2/2/2007 | , , ,
 
Whatever Your Favourite Platform™ is, it might be an idea to listen to Boing Boing and take part in this questionnaire about the future of the BBC's on-demand services.
 
When one of the questions is "How important is it that the proposed seven-day catch-up service over the internet is available to consumers who are not using Microsoft software?", I think it's important to let them know "very". Even if you personally use Windows, the BBC shouldn't lock down its services to one vendor.
 
  Act now! Grassroots action! Etc!
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Simon Wilson Message #98035, posted by ksattic at 20:32, 2/2/2007
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Urgh, what a badly designed page (the questionnaire link). I completed all the questions but it didn't ask for my details. I realised they were gathered under a different "tab". I have no clue what happens if I submit my details now - they will probably go on their merry way without any of my answers to the questions.

Also, what are the "revisions proposed" that question 11 was talking about?

In my answers, I just moaned that putting silly limitations in like time limits and a maximum number of shows you can download would turn people away and doom it to failure.
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Al Cleminson Message #98076, posted by cleminan2 at 09:15, 4/2/2007, in reply to message #98035
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The 'revisions' would be the 29 page PDF linked to on the introduction tab:
iplayer_pvt_provisional_conclusions.pdf
Just lots of words really.

Wonder how this'll affect the current ntl/tw/vm On Demand service?
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VinceH Message #98080, posted by VincceH at 12:24, 4/2/2007, in reply to message #98076
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Wonder how this'll affect the current ntl/tw/vm On Demand service?
Which, TBH, is largely crap* - maybe it'll improve it by making more stuff available. :)

*The main thing I don't like about it is that you can't be sure, ahead of time, what's going to be available. If they only did that - just a key letter in the listings to indicate "This programme will be available for 7 days via Teleport Replay" the whole thing would be magnitudes more useful.
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John Hoare Message #99071, posted by moss at 01:47, 24/2/2007, in reply to message #98080

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Hooray!
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Phil Mellor Message #99072, posted by monkeyson2 at 01:53, 24/2/2007, in reply to message #99071
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Hooray!



What is a "reasonable timeframe" ?
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John Hoare Message #99073, posted by moss at 02:00, 24/2/2007, in reply to message #99072

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What is a "reasonable timeframe" ?
That worried me, too. I wouldn't mind if it was up to a year - Windows is the dominant platform after all, and if you can get it out earlier by only supporting it, then fair enough - but over a year, and it's taking the piss a bit.
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Phil Mellor Message #99929, posted by monkeyson2 at 13:02, 13/3/2007, in reply to message #99073
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What is a "reasonable timeframe" ?
That worried me, too. I wouldn't mind if it was up to a year - Windows is the dominant platform after all, and if you can get it out earlier by only supporting it, then fair enough - but over a year, and it's taking the piss a bit.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=38183

"The UK telecoms regulator, Ofcom, has imposed a two year limit by which time the BBC's service must be made available on other media players such as RealPlayer. The OSC accuses Ofcom of not having gone far enough in its ruling and complains that Microsoft is being given an unfair advantage "at a time when it will be seeking maximum opportunity to promote its new operating system Microsoft Vista" and is demanding that the BBC should only launch iPlayer in a 'technology neutral capacity'."
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Phil Mellor Message #104791, posted by monkeyson2 at 00:45, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #99929
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7045123.stm

"The BBC has also confirmed that users of Apple Mac and Linux machines will be able to use its TV catch-up service from the end of the year.

The broadcaster has signed a deal with Adobe to provide Flash video for the whole of the BBC's video services, including a streaming version of its iPlayer."
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Phil Mellor Message #104821, posted by monkeyson2 at 19:16, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #104791
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7047381.stm

"While accurate figures for Linux users among licence fee payers are not available, it is thought that less than 3% of computer users in the UK have Macs."

Yes, and I bet that statistic includes the millions of Windows PCs sitting in offices which won't be used for iPlayer anyway. The ratio of Mac:Windows use in purely home use is probably quite different. (First example plucked at random: 40% of Princeton students this year use Macs.)
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Richard Goodwin Message #104824, posted by rich at 19:30, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #104821
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It also probably doesn't take into account things like mobile devices, which should be able to use streaming Flash versions but not the Windows iPlayer too. Some of these will be Linux based I'm sure *cough*N770*cough*...

You would have thought a website like the BBC's would be able to do some kind of log analysis and figure out roughly how many non-Windows users there are already accessing their site. I know they have multiple servers in multiple locations, but they also have some very clever chaps working for them and it ain't rocket science.
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Phil Mellor Message #104826, posted by monkeyson2 at 19:40, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #104824
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You would have thought a website like the BBC's would be able to do some kind of log analysis and figure out roughly how many non-Windows users there are already accessing their site.
Again, not a good estimate for the iPlayer market, because lots of people look at the BBC site whilst goofing off at work on their office PCs.

they also have some very clever chaps working for them and it ain't rocket science.
Nope, they sold them to Siemens. unhappy
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Richard Goodwin Message #104833, posted by rich at 20:13, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #104826
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You would have thought a website like the BBC's would be able to do some kind of log analysis and figure out roughly how many non-Windows users there are already accessing their site.
Again, not a good estimate for the iPlayer market, because lots of people look at the BBC site whilst goofing off at work on their office PCs.
And you assume that said goofing off won't include catching up with TV programs? How sweet.

Or maybe, as I just read Jpod on Sunday, I'm very, very jaded smile
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Phil Mellor Message #104834, posted by monkeyson2 at 20:24, 16/10/2007, in reply to message #104833
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And you assume that said goofing off won't include catching up with TV programs? How sweet.
Oh, streaming maybe, but not the peer to peer (which is what currently requires XP) - assuming it needs admin privileges and firewall frigging.

Or maybe, as I just read Jpod on Sunday, I'm very, very jaded smile
I must get around to finishing that. I put it down and never picked it up again. unhappy
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Richard Goodwin Message #104839, posted by rich at 07:43, 17/10/2007, in reply to message #104834
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Or maybe, as I just read Jpod on Sunday, I'm very, very jaded smile
I must get around to finishing that. I put it down and never picked it up again. unhappy
I had a longish bus trip, so I read it straight through. It's a pretty easy read when you just skip the list of minifigs and pi listed to 10,000 digits etc., although those three or four pages of unparagraphed gibberish every so often are pretty hard.
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Phil Mellor Message #106150, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:03, 21/1/2008, in reply to message #104839
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/01/ip_to_tv_your_comments.html

BBC programmes on Apple TV and iPods? Might be feasible now, due to the time-limited DRM used by the iTunes movie rentals...
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Phil Mellor Message #109029, posted by monkeyson2 at 20:07, 18/12/2008, in reply to message #106150
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7787335.stm

Woo!
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