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The Icon Bar: News and features: ArgoNet's Voyager to become open source?
 

ArgoNet's Voyager to become open source?

Posted by Richard Goodwin on 08:44, 28/3/2001 | , , ,
 
"The" Paul Vigay, RISC OS support to ISP ArgoNet, has posted on Usenet that they are planning to make the Voyager, the ArgoNet internet suite, open source.

Posting on argonet.acorn.voyager this morning, Paul has said that he's still looking for some of the source code and has yet to secure full agreement with some of the authors, but the release of the source should happen at the end of the month.

Keep watching http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paul/ for more info, and let's hope it's not an early April Fools joke!
 

  ArgoNet's Voyager to become open source?
  (20:30 28/3/2001)
  rob (23:04 28/3/2001)
    Rob Kendrick (02:23 29/3/2001)
      Ian (08:51 29/3/2001)
        Richard Goodwin (09:42 29/3/2001)
          Rob Kendrick (13:34 29/3/2001)
            Richard Goodwin (16:00 29/3/2001)
              Michael Stubbs (02:22 31/3/2001)
                Michael Stubbs (02:23 31/3/2001)
                  Rob Kendrick (13:10 31/3/2001)
                    bonze (21:12 31/3/2001)
                      John Campbell Rees (23:20 31/3/2001)
                        Richard Walker (15:06 1/4/2001)
                          Rob Kendrick (15:32 1/4/2001)
                            Rob (22:40 1/4/2001)
                              Richard Goodwin (09:07 2/4/2001)
 
Jon Hall Message #88410, posted at 20:30, 28/3/2001
Unregistered user I think it's a joke....
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rob Message #88411, posted at 23:04, 28/3/2001, in reply to message #88410
Unregistered user I take it that Fresco isn't included ;-)
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Rob Kendrick Message #88412, posted at 02:23, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88411
Unregistered user Nor FreeTerm...
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Ian Message #88413, posted at 08:51, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88412
Unregistered user Perhaps this would be a good oportunity to ditch !Fresco and optimise !Voyager to use !Oregano ;-)
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Richard Goodwin Message #88414, posted at 09:42, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88413
Unregistered user I know for certain it's not a joke, as I'm actually in the same office for the next few days ;) I have to be a bit careful what I can write up though, as they're paying me for some Perl work. Let's just say I expect to be writing another article tomorrow or monday.

Fresco won't be included (obviously), and there may be a new telnet client (although that might take a while longer).

I think the main point of the excercise is to get work done on the dialler, email client and news client I think. Richard Murray has some hacks, Paul has some hacks, there's the official stuff... put it all together, get a few clever coders interested, and everyone might get a nifty internet suite out of it.
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Rob Kendrick Message #88415, posted at 13:34, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88414
Unregistered user I assume things like Sergio's PPP won't be included. Also, from the looks of things when I last saw it, Posty needs a rewrite from scratch :)
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Richard Goodwin Message #88416, posted at 16:00, 29/3/2001, in reply to message #88415
Unregistered user Ah yes, I knew I'd forgotten something, PPP.

And yes, Posty needed a complete re-write about five years ago ;) it's nice and easy to use, but the insides are a bit icky and it needs bringing up-to-date. I still use it day-to-day though (because I can hack around any problems ;)
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Michael Stubbs Message #88417, posted at 02:22, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88416
Unregistered user I thought for a moment that they were throwing Fresco into the public domain. Shame no company feels like paying ANT to port the current version ot RISC OS. I mean, Oregano Networks didn't port Oregano to RISC OS off their own backs, Castle payed them to and subsequently sold thousands of copies.

This news item is good news though :)
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Michael Stubbs Message #88418, posted at 02:23, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88417
Unregistered user Excuse my crap typing in that last posting please ;)
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Rob Kendrick Message #88419, posted at 13:10, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88418
Unregistered user Porting Oregano to RISC OS was simpler than porting newer Frescos to RISC OS would be, because Oregano is designed to run under RISC OS anyway. (Just not in a desktop)
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bonze Message #88420, posted at 21:12, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88419
Unregistered user So what is a Fresco? and what would it be replacing?
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John Campbell Rees Message #88421, posted at 23:20, 31/3/2001, in reply to message #88420
Unregistered user So, if we see something running Oregano, it will always have RISC OS under the bonnet? That's interesting to know.
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Richard Walker Message #88422, posted at 15:06, 1/4/2001, in reply to message #88421
Unregistered user Chaps... I believe that Fresco is highly portable. Take a look at http://www.ant.co.uk and read all about it. In theory, you could compile it for RISC OS, just like you could with, say, Mozilla or the GIMP.

See, for example, http://www.ant.co.uk/body/press01_27_11_2000.html

As for Oregano (known as 'TV Interactor' in Oregan's STB-world), it's not obvious how portable this is. However, remember that Fresco started off as a RISC OS application, and gradually moved to cross-platform.

I believe that Oregano were once looking into creating their own OS (to replace RISC OS in their STBs), to be called 'Zen RTOS'. It looks like this is dead, and they are keen on this royalty-free Nucleus thing...

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Rob Kendrick Message #88423, posted at 15:32, 1/4/2001, in reply to message #88422
Unregistered user Fresco is written entirely in ANSI C, and uses a layer to allow it to talk to the hardware. This is the layer you write when porting it. Mozilla and The GIMP are not written in ANSI C. Porting them would be *much* more complex.

Oregano was originally written to run under RISC OS style NC OS.
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Rob Message #88424, posted at 22:40, 1/4/2001, in reply to message #88423
Unregistered user How much has Fresco improved though? I think the main gripe with Fresco is the bugs.
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Richard Goodwin Message #88425, posted at 09:07, 2/4/2001, in reply to message #88424
Unregistered user Although I'm probably not allowed to say anything, in a job I had earlier this year I had a play with the Windows NT desktop version of Fresco used in developing stuff for set top boxes; although it was an improvement over the RISC OS desktop version (even had table background support of sorts), it looked for all the world like an emulated RISC OS version - complete with blue pointer when you moved over the browser window and anti-aliased fonts. Groovy.
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