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The Icon Bar: News and features: More on Omega
 

More on Omega

Posted by Richard Goodwin on 21:15, 24/10/2000 | , , ,
 
We've just noticed that MicroDigital have more info on this much talked about machine up on their website. Point your browsers at http://www.microdigital.co.uk/omega.html for tech specs and pictures, including one of inside the case!
 
  More on Omega
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  Gunnlaugur Jonsson (00:57 25/10/2000)
    [martin] (01:28 25/10/2000)
      Marco Frissen (07:35 25/10/2000)
        Richard Goodwin (10:58 25/10/2000)
          Marco Frissen (11:25 25/10/2000)
            Marco Frissen (11:31 25/10/2000)
              Richard Goodwin (13:14 25/10/2000)
                Richard Goodwin (13:15 25/10/2000)
                  [martin] (13:37 25/10/2000)
                    Marco Frissen (14:03 25/10/2000)
                      Jon Hall (15:31 25/10/2000)
                        Marco Frissen (16:17 25/10/2000)
                          Richard Goodwin (17:48 25/10/2000)
                            Rob Kendrick (18:08 25/10/2000)
                              Mark Rowan (22:10 26/10/2000)
                                Rob Kendrick (23:00 26/10/2000)
                                  Ian Redman (23:54 26/10/2000)
                                    [martin] (10:21 27/10/2000)
                                      Rob Kendrick (11:28 27/10/2000)
                                        Richard Goodwin (13:32 27/10/2000)
                                          Rob Kendrick (11:07 28/10/2000)
                                            Richard Goodwin (08:13 29/10/2000)
                                              Rob Kendrick (12:20 29/10/2000)
                                                Richard Goodwin (15:49 29/10/2000)
                                                  Lee Johnston (09:03 30/10/2000)
                                                    keith dunlop (19:13 3/11/2000)
                                                      Marco Frissen (01:00 5/11/2000)
 
Tim Fountain Message #88108, posted at 23:29, 24/10/2000
Unregistered user That site really is dreadful.
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Gunnlaugur Jonsson Message #88109, posted at 00:57, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88108
Unregistered user So true, I was even thinking of offering to at least redo the site graphics just to make them viewable! I'm not a great artist but this really is a new low from my point of view.

Gulli
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[martin] Message #88110, posted at 01:28, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88109
Unregistered user Hehe, my sentiments also (bright green!!!!)

I've had similar comments from other people to.
Someone even said they thought the browser had rendered it wrong! :P

Microdigital, what were you thinking ?!?!

Having said that though, the Castle site is the colour of mustard, and the RiscStation one has
incorrect prices... oh dear me.
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Marco Frissen Message #88111, posted at 07:35, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88110
Unregistered user Okay, the site sucks, but the machine is schweet!
It's on my top list of nice to have gadgets :)
One thing though: why the hell USB iso FireWire... FW is soo much better, and implicitely opens up the world to DV editing on Risc/ARM machines.
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Richard Goodwin Message #88112, posted at 10:58, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88111
Unregistered user Why not firewire? Take a look at web sites and catalogues, and see how many USB peripherals there are compared to firewire ones. Most PCs come with USB built in these days, but firewire is not; so if you want to get access to the biggest possible number of add-ons, you have to stick to the main standard.
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Marco Frissen Message #88113, posted at 11:25, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88112
Unregistered user There are _lots_ of Fw devices.
Besides, FW is to USB what SCSI is to IDE.
and FW is _lots_ faster than USB
and since the Imago is so multimedia hyped, why not make the Omega even more FW enabled by adding FW ports?
and RiscOS is not mainstream.. will never be mainstream (I hope it will though), so choosing a mainstream device may not be the best way.
Oh well, maybe my PCI FW card will be supported :)

btw: any news on the t-shirt front? :)
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USB, what USB? FW, that's what kicks me!
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Marco Frissen Message #88114, posted at 11:31, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88113
Unregistered user Yeach.. I wrote:
... since the Imago is so multimedia hyped, why not make the Omega even more FW enabled by ...

and I meant:
... since the Imago is so multimedia hyped, why not make the Omega even more MULTIMEDIA enabled by ...

duh
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Richard Goodwin Message #88115, posted at 13:14, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88114
Unregistered user I didn't say that RISC OS machines will be more mainstream - that would be silly, thinking that might happen! ;) I meant that it's easier and much cheaper to get USB than firewire devices from your local boxshifter.

The SCSI v. IDE argument is a good one from my point of view too - all RiscPCs come with IDE as standard as the discs are much cheaper and easier to get hold of (there are lots of SCSI discs, but many more IDE discs on sale)! SCSI is prohibitively expensive for the average user, only professional users consider SCSI a necessity these days (hey, professional video people still use a derivative of BetaMax, but I have a VHS VCR at home ;). So in a *standard* *desktop* *machine* I think that all companies involved (not just MicroDigital) are right to go the USB route.

Of course, you could argue FW is a must in the Nucleus, as it's far from standard ;)
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Richard Goodwin Message #88116, posted at 13:15, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88115
Unregistered user BTW, posted something on the T-shirt page an hour or so ago ;)
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[martin] Message #88117, posted at 13:37, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88116
Unregistered user If the website sucks, then no-one will take them seriously. The likes of us will "put up with it" but the rest of the world will laugh - a problem in common with many RiscOS companies...

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Marco Frissen Message #88118, posted at 14:03, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88117
Unregistered user why can't the riscos developers follow another example iso wintel? like duh apple?
Apple/ Macintosh is booming, and supports FW and USB.. best of both worlds :)
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Jon Hall Message #88119, posted at 15:31, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88118
Unregistered user Apple/Mac 'booming'?
Not according to Hewson in last week's Sunday Times....
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Marco Frissen Message #88120, posted at 16:17, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88119
Unregistered user bleh.. sunday times, sunday schmollocks .. (dunno, never read the damn thing *grin*)...
What I hear is that the G4 macs sell quite well.
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Richard Goodwin Message #88121, posted at 17:48, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88120
Unregistered user Apparently cubes are not selling well, and Apple just lost 50%(?) of their share value after a profits warning. Or something.
The BBC news site has more info.
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Rob Kendrick Message #88122, posted at 18:08, 25/10/2000, in reply to message #88121
Unregistered user Erm, is it me or is this photo of 'inside' the Omega
a bit crap? It doesn't show anything unique or
different from the PC that used to be in it.

I asked Microdigital what 3D acceleration chipset was in the Omega, and what it was capable of. The reply ws 'MPEG'. Lets hope they misread the question,
rarther than not knowning what they are talking about.
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Mark Rowan Message #88123, posted at 22:10, 26/10/2000, in reply to message #88122
Unregistered user I think the main problem with their website graphics is that they've used JPEGs on dodgy compression. If they still have the original sprites or whatever they should be able to make nice crisp GIFs out of them :-)
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Rob Kendrick Message #88124, posted at 23:00, 26/10/2000, in reply to message #88123
Unregistered user Tsk; PNG :)
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Ian Redman Message #88125, posted at 23:54, 26/10/2000, in reply to message #88124
Unregistered user Well GIF's are sometimes smaller....
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[martin] Message #88126, posted at 10:21, 27/10/2000, in reply to message #88125
Unregistered user They may be able to make nice crisp GIFs (or PNGs!) but they'll still be red, black and dayglo green!

Alright, let's allow them (him?) to work on the Omega for a while. Once some have been sold, We can expect a less painful new website... :)
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Rob Kendrick Message #88127, posted at 11:28, 27/10/2000, in reply to message #88126
Unregistered user Well, if you have a 5x5 image or smaller, then GIF
will prolly win over a /good/ PNG. But then you should use PNG because of the priniciple of the matter. :) I'd use PNGs more often, but Netscape and MSIE are crap.
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Richard Goodwin Message #88128, posted at 13:32, 27/10/2000, in reply to message #88127
Unregistered user By the time PNGs are sorted out, SVG will be the way to go for simple images ;)

Seriously off topic, but hey, never mind...
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Rob Kendrick Message #88129, posted at 11:07, 28/10/2000, in reply to message #88128
Unregistered user Just out of interest, does Justin's SVG plugin just convert to draw, and then use the DrawFile module or similar to render it? If so, MicroDigital's site wouldn't look all that much better... We need Anti-Aliasing. My poersonal vote is for Xara's web graphics standard; its been around for years and is more capable than SVG.
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Richard Goodwin Message #88130, posted at 08:13, 29/10/2000, in reply to message #88129
Unregistered user It dones't matter about Justin's implementation or how good Xara's stuff is - SVG is the W3C reconnendation (ir whatever stage it's at), so is/will be as important as GIF and JPEG support.

If you want it to look decent right *now*, just stick to GIFs and JPEGs ;)
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Rob Kendrick Message #88131, posted at 12:20, 29/10/2000, in reply to message #88130
Unregistered user That's not what I asked ;-) W3C recommend a lot of crap things that shouldn't be touched with a bargepoll :)
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Richard Goodwin Message #88132, posted at 15:49, 29/10/2000, in reply to message #88131
Unregistered user As you answered your own question, I didn't think you wanted an answer from me as well! :)

SVG is very nice for creating images, and produces very small code; for instance it can do graduated fills and animation, which Draw can't, so I guess a conversion would either be incomplete or be much larger than the original file.

Other than that, I haven't got Justin's implementation, but when I saw it "in action" it produced an image so small you couldn't see *what* it was...
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Lee Johnston Message #88133, posted at 09:03, 30/10/2000, in reply to message #88132
Unregistered user What I don't get about the comments made on SVG is that just because the standard doesn't necessarily specify anti-aliased output there's no reason why a renderer couldn't do it. Obviously simply converting the file to a drawfile and then using the drawfile renderer wouldn't do the trick. However given that Vantage uses the drawfile, perhaps there is the possibility of a Vantage renderer like the Artworks renderer. Browsers could check if it was loaded and default to the drawfile renderer if not.

Just a thought...anyone want to put it to cerilicia?
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keith dunlop Message #88134, posted at 19:13, 3/11/2000, in reply to message #88133
Unregistered user You've all missed something

Microdigital are quoting the StrongARM @ 287MHz - cool eh? overclocked as standard!

also,

PC133 memory - I thought that the StrongARM was maxed @ 66MHz (albeit on 2 channels - hence the imago dual main bus design)

FireWire - what are you complaining about? There are plenty of PC PCI FireWire cards out there (maker: Evergreen I think) - all we need is drivers...

What is more important is for me (before I place the order!) is:

1) MIDI - does the supplied Soundblaster card support it / integrate wilth RISC OS?

2) SCSI - what PCI cards will we be able to use (hopefully Adaptec ones....)?

3) USB - what support do we have ATM?

TTFN (drowning in drool over this machine...:-))
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Marco Frissen Message #88135, posted at 01:00, 5/11/2000, in reply to message #88134
Unregistered user Keith wrote:
:Microdigital are quoting the StrongARM @ 287MHz - cool eh? overclocked as standard!

Not overlooked, just not important enough to mention :) They are selling SA overclocked boards, do they?

:PC133 memory - I thought that the StrongARM was maxed @ 66MHz (albeit on 2 channels - hence the imago dual main bus design)

yep, then again, PC133 can just as well run on 66MHz .. it's hard to get slower memory these days...

:FireWire - what are you complaining about? There are plenty of PC PCI FireWire cards out there (maker: Evergreen I think) - all we need is drivers...

I know, I know, that's what I said too (eh, maybe in the forum somwhere..).. just the driver issue .. brrrr.. well, I keep on hoping.

2) SCSI - what PCI cards will we be able to use (hopefully Adaptec ones....)?
oh please SCSI160 :) or later versions hehehe

3) USB - what support do we have ATM?
nada nothing.. but then again,USB is just a chique serial port, so I guess writing drivers is not so hard.

(drowning in drool over this machine...:-))
<insert annoying monkey here> :-)
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