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Gavin Message #107399, posted by SparkY at 21:57, 20/5/2008
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Acorn Electron games.

Emulated

On RISC OS.

Discuss.
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Jeffrey Lee Message #107401, posted by Phlamethrower at 23:43, 20/5/2008, in reply to message #107399
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Haven't played any.
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Andrew Message #107403, posted by andrew at 00:11, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107401
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6502EM as far as I know and then you need the right screen modes in your MDF.
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Gavin Message #107405, posted by SparkY at 00:38, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107403
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6502EM as far as I know and then you need the right screen modes in your MDF.
Has anyone used 6502EM for this? I was informed by the author of the app that Electron support was a bit on the crap side.

What I'd love is a port of ElectrEm. If my RISC OS coding skills were even slightly good, I'd have a bash.
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Phil Mellor Message #107406, posted by monkeyson2 at 09:30, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107399
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Acorn Electron games.

Emulated

On RISC OS.

Discuss.

Why would you want to play the Electron versions over the BBC Micro? (Speaking as an Electron owner)
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Andrew Message #107407, posted by andrew at 09:35, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107405
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6502EM as far as I know and then you need the right screen modes in your MDF.
Has anyone used 6502EM for this? I was informed by the author of the app that Electron support was a bit on the crap side.

What I'd love is a port of ElectrEm. If my RISC OS coding skills were even slightly good, I'd have a bash.
Yes what games had you got in mind?
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Gavin Message #107414, posted by SparkY at 13:46, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107406
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Acorn Electron games.

Emulated

On RISC OS.

Discuss.

Why would you want to play the Electron versions over the BBC Micro? (Speaking as an Electron owner)
Cos apart from a total of about 60 minutes of usage on a BBC at school, I've never really used one. I used an Electron for years and would just prefer to play Electron titles smile

Further explanation would require an indepth look into the intricacies of my obsessions. Let's not go there.
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Adrian Lees Message #107415, posted by adrianl at 15:24, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107399
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Hmmm, I might be interested in doing that. The Electron was my first computer and I actually wrote an emulator to use on RISC OS when I moved on to the A3000. It's still kicking around somewhere, as 26-bit assembly code, but needs some work.

I'll have a look at ElectrEm too, it's quite possibly a better starting point now (emulator efficiency is hardly likely to be an issue now!)


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Gavin Message #107417, posted by SparkY at 16:08, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107415
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Hmmm, I might be interested in doing that. The Electron was my first computer and I actually wrote an emulator to use on RISC OS when I moved on to the A3000. It's still kicking around somewhere, as 26-bit assembly code, but needs some work.

I'll have a look at ElectrEm too, it's quite possibly a better starting point now (emulator efficiency is hardly likely to be an issue now!)
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It seems odd that lots of platforms have Electron emulators (particularly ElectrEm), yet RISC OS doesn't - it would be nice for it to join the party!
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fwibbler Message #107432, posted by fwibbler at 21:18, 21/5/2008, in reply to message #107417
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I believe Elkulator also has source available
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Gavin Message #109201, posted by SparkY at 23:33, 24/1/2009, in reply to message #107415
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Hmmm, I might be interested in doing that. The Electron was my first computer and I actually wrote an emulator to use on RISC OS when I moved on to the A3000. It's still kicking around somewhere, as 26-bit assembly code, but needs some work.

I'll have a look at ElectrEm too, it's quite possibly a better starting point now (emulator efficiency is hardly likely to be an issue now!)
Just wondering if you ever got anywhere with this? /drools
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Andrew Message #109202, posted by andrew at 00:33, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109201
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6502em will emulate the Electron:


http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/6502em.html

£15 for the download. Well worth the money by personal experience.
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Gavin Message #109203, posted by SparkY at 00:42, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109202
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6502em will emulate the Electron:


http://www.borcherds.co.uk/murklesoft/riscos/6502em.html

£15 for the download. Well worth the money by personal experience.
Do you have experience of Electron emulation using 6502em? I was told by the author (as I said above) that the Electron emulation wasn't anywhere near as good as the BBC emulation. Which is why I'd love to see Electrem ported...
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Andrew Message #109208, posted by andrew at 12:16, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109203
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What do you want to use it for? If you can give me an example or two I can test it.
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Jason Togneri Message #109213, posted by filecore at 19:23, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109208

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What do you want to use it for? If you can give me an example or two I can test it.
He already said:

I used an Electron for years and would just prefer to play Electron titles
Unless of course you meant which titles in particular...
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Gavin Message #109215, posted by SparkY at 21:49, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109208
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What do you want to use it for? If you can give me an example or two I can test it.
If you could try a smattering of Electron games, I'd be grateful. Citadel, Elite, Overdrive, E-Type and Joe Blade all might be good tests! smile
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Jason Togneri Message #109217, posted by filecore at 23:28, 25/1/2009, in reply to message #109215

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Anybody got a clue on the copyright status of old Electron games? I've got one or two ADFs floating around, but I have no idea which ones would still be protected, or even if there is a specific provision ruling out the Electron ones (since they're so old).
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VinceH Message #109220, posted by VincceH at 07:52, 26/1/2009, in reply to message #109217
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Technically, they'll still be protected by copyright - the specifics (ie who owns the rights) are going to vary according to the games in question, obviously.

Practically, I seriously doubt anyone is going to be too bothered about protecting their interests on software for an old 8bit computer. Life's too short, and anyone who is worried ought to get their head out of their butt.

(And this is coming from me, Mr Fussy-about-copyrights).
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Jason Togneri Message #109222, posted by filecore at 08:37, 26/1/2009, in reply to message #109220

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Life's too short, and anyone who is worried ought to get their head out of their butt.
That's the problem with the Acorn scene - too much infighting about who owns what, Castle vs ROL, etc. Just like the USA, it's had its historty of bad prece(si)dents :-(
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Jason Togneri Message #109223, posted by filecore at 09:52, 26/1/2009, in reply to message #109222

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Well, while the games are maybe a bit dubious, I'm sure it's alright to share magazine cover tape images. Here's some you might find interesting:

Acorn User, Electron Computing, Electron User tape images can be found here (UEF format).

A more detailed archive of Electron User tapes and accompanying magazine summaries can be found here (SSD, DSD, ADM; for info, view the TXT).

Please note that my HTTP server isn't always on, but it can generally be found during daylight hours (approximately 7am-9pm UK time).
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Jason Togneri Message #109224, posted by filecore at 09:54, 26/1/2009, in reply to message #109223

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Incidentally, if there's a range of stuff that you want archived together for ease of downloadment, just let me know.
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VinceH Message #109225, posted by VincceH at 11:45, 26/1/2009, in reply to message #109222
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Life's too short, and anyone who is worried ought to get their head out of their butt.
That's the problem with the Acorn scene
To clarify, I was talking about games for the old 8bit platforms in general, not specific to Acorn hardware or the Acorn scene. Despite the interest in 'retro' computing, when the sun goes down, there won't be many people willing to shell out money on games for machines that are ancient history in the IT world. The lost revenue might be enough for a pint, if that.

And I'm not being a hypocrite in this case: One of my early games was for the Beeb (I don't think I made an Elk version) and I don't care if that version of that game is passed around. (Not that it's likely to happen - I don't think I sold more than a handful of copies).

- too much infighting about who owns what, Castle vs ROL, etc. Just like the USA, it's had its historty of bad prece(si)dents :-(
I don't want to open that can of worms and start yet another long "discussion" of it here, but I have to comment because you've brought it up in response to my comments that were made with a specific context in mind. So, my opinion is this:

It's very much a debacle from someone sitting outwith the two companies - but the bottom line is that one of the two companies is trampling all over the rights of the other, and possibly they're both doing it.

Personally, I think they should sort things out once and for all, be that by dragging each other through the courts, or just by sitting down and negotiating some mutually suitable terms (and then sticking to them). I don't care, as long as they do so quietly, and just tell the world when it's sorted.

Whenever public mention of the blasted mess is made, it always leads to stupid arguments between people who either don't have a clue as to the truth of the matter, or if they do it's because they have deep ties with one side or the other and therefore (a) are commenting with bias and (b) should keep their mouths shut. (Blunt, but true).

And that's what pisses me off more about it than anything else. It's those pointless squables that make it so much worse, especially from the point of view of anyone looking in on the 'scene'.
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Andrew Message #109230, posted by andrew at 19:45, 27/1/2009, in reply to message #109215
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What do you want to use it for? If you can give me an example or two I can test it.
If you could try a smattering of Electron games, I'd be grateful. Citadel, Elite, Overdrive, E-Type and Joe Blade all might be good tests! smile

Okay I'll have a look. The main problem I can foresee is with UEF images that aren't available on disk for the Elk.
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Andrew Message #109231, posted by andrew at 20:13, 27/1/2009, in reply to message #109230
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Okay checked them all (Screenshots below). The only one I had problems with was Elite. It loaded but the functions keys didn't work (not sure how the Elk version control operated).

I tried the basic versions - apparently there are other ones but the codes on the archive site didn't make sense: "RR", "HQ" etc.

To run them you need to unzip the zip then the file inside, set the resulting file to &BBC (BBC snap), double click and you're away. You can load most tape UEF games at high-speed.

So considering you get a full BBC emulator with infinite hard disc space as I say well worth the download in my view.

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Andrew Message #109237, posted by andrew at 21:14, 28/1/2009, in reply to message #109223
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Well, while the games are maybe a bit dubious, I'm sure it's alright to share magazine cover tape images. Here's some you might find interesting:

Acorn User, Electron Computing, Electron User tape images can be found here (UEF format).

A more detailed archive of Electron User tapes and accompanying magazine summaries can be found here (SSD, DSD, ADM; for info, view the TXT).

Please note that my HTTP server isn't always on, but it can generally be found during daylight hours (approximately 7am-9pm UK time).
Are you aware of Acornelectron.co.uk?
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Gavin Message #109238, posted by SparkY at 08:13, 29/1/2009, in reply to message #109231
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Okay checked them all (Screenshots below). The only one I had problems with was Elite. It loaded but the functions keys didn't work (not sure how the Elk version control operated).
Thanks for trying them Andrew. I guessed they'd run, I was more concerned of how well they would - but I assume they ran at the proper speed with no graphical glitches etc? This is good news smile
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Jason Togneri Message #109240, posted by filecore at 10:35, 29/1/2009, in reply to message #109237

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I wasn't before, but I am now... I've contacted them, thanks for the tip big smile
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Andrew Message #109243, posted by andrew at 19:25, 29/1/2009, in reply to message #109238
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Okay checked them all (Screenshots below). The only one I had problems with was Elite. It loaded but the functions keys didn't work (not sure how the Elk version control operated).
Thanks for trying them Andrew. I guessed they'd run, I was more concerned of how well they would - but I assume they ran at the proper speed with no graphical glitches etc? This is good news smile
Pleasure smile The tyres on Overdrive seemed to flicker although I was maybe running the emulator at fast speed to hasten tape loading. PErsonally I've had no problems with speed on 6502 or Beebit AFAICR since using 6502 on the A3010. So StrongARM, A9 or Iyonix should be fine.
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Andrew Message #109244, posted by andrew at 19:26, 29/1/2009, in reply to message #109240
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I wasn't before, but I am now... I've contacted them, thanks for the tip smile
ISTR them trying to fill various gaps in their archive.
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Blind Moose Message #112554, posted by Acornut at 13:06, 29/12/2009, in reply to message #107399
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Acorn Electron games.
Here are a load for sale.smile
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