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The Icon Bar: General: Last of the Iyonix
 
  Last of the Iyonix
  ksattic (03:59 27/9/2008)
  Mark76 (05:55 27/9/2008)
    monkeyson2 (10:49 27/9/2008)
      Mark76 (21:58 27/9/2008)
        andrew (23:41 27/9/2008)
        adamlloyd (14:17 28/9/2008)
          Mark76 (14:32 28/9/2008)
            Steve (18:06 28/9/2008)
              MikeCarter (22:04 28/9/2008)
              ksattic (15:32 29/9/2008)
                Webbage (11:50 1/10/2008)
                  andrew (21:20 5/10/2008)
                    DiscoBurgess (14:03 7/10/2008)
                      andrew (00:03 9/10/2008)
                  Wrath (22:14 8/10/2008)
                    andrew (00:09 9/10/2008)
                    SimonC (10:22 9/10/2008)
 
Simon Wilson Message #108419, posted by ksattic at 03:59, 27/9/2008
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According to riscos.org (date says 27th Sep 2008 ), the Iyonix will no longer be available from the 30th of September. It sounds like Castle are stopping RISC OS development, although the article doesn't explicitly say that. unhappy

Written from my Iyonix...

[Edited by ksattic at 03:59, 27/9/2008]
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Mark Message #108420, posted by Mark76 at 05:55, 27/9/2008, in reply to message #108419
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According to riscos.org (date says 27th Sep 2008 ), the Iyonix will no longer be available from the 30th of September. It sounds like Castle are stopping RISC OS development, although the article doesn't explicitly say that. unhappy

Written from my Iyonix...

[Edited by ksattic at 03:59, 27/9/2008]
Is it making way for a new model, or are they just getting out of the PC game altogether?
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Phil Mellor Message #108422, posted by monkeyson2 at 10:49, 27/9/2008, in reply to message #108420
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Is it making way for a new model, or are they just getting out of the PC game altogether?
From the press release:

In the meantime Jack Lillingston & John Ballance would like to thank all their customers for their business and support over the last 15 years. IYONIX Ltd will continue to trade until stocks of IYONIX and other Acorn RISC OS parts and accessories are exhausted.
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Mark Message #108425, posted by Mark76 at 21:58, 27/9/2008, in reply to message #108422
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So. It's now basically the A9Home or emulation?

At least as soon as Castle sell their last stocks.
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Andrew Message #108427, posted by andrew at 23:41, 27/9/2008, in reply to message #108425
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The Iyonix is quite old anyway so the main thing I'd say is that we have confirmation that this particular machine has reached the end of its production. Who knows what Castle might do with the OS and hardware and any other dealer or developer that has access to it?
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Adam Lloyd Message #108431, posted by adamlloyd at 14:17, 28/9/2008, in reply to message #108425
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So. It's now basically the A9Home or emulation?

At least as soon as Castle sell their last stocks.
Looks like it.
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Mark Message #108434, posted by Mark76 at 14:32, 28/9/2008, in reply to message #108431
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Do you know, I can't recall ever seeing an Iyonix for sale in a normal mainstream electronics store.
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Steve C Message #108435, posted by Steve at 18:06, 28/9/2008, in reply to message #108434
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Do you know, I can't recall ever seeing an Iyonix for sale in a normal mainstream electronics store.
For that matter, I don't think the RiscPC ever made it to a high-street store - even the Archimedes only made it there briefly (it seemed to be all Amigas and Ataris in the days before the Intel-based PCs took over).
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Mike Message #108437, posted by MikeCarter at 22:04, 28/9/2008, in reply to message #108435
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Do you know, I can't recall ever seeing an Iyonix for sale in a normal mainstream electronics store.
For that matter, I don't think the RiscPC ever made it to a high-street store - even the Archimedes only made it there briefly (it seemed to be all Amigas and Ataris in the days before the Intel-based PCs took over).
And talking about Amiga's, it seems they are in a nicer position at the moment, with the release of OS 4.1, OS 4.1 ported onto the Sam440, and a webkit based web browser.

[Edited by MikeCarter at 22:04, 28/9/2008]
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Simon Wilson Message #108439, posted by ksattic at 15:32, 29/9/2008, in reply to message #108435
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For that matter, I don't think the RiscPC ever made it to a high-street store - even the Archimedes only made it there briefly (it seemed to be all Amigas and Ataris in the days before the Intel-based PCs took over).
The RiscPC did! I saw it in Brinkmann's in Hamburg, Germany. I think it was an A5000 that I saw in a decently-sized video game shop in Hull, and it had Stunt Racer 2000 on it (I bought the game there).

[Edited by ksattic at 15:33, 29/9/2008]
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Mark Message #108446, posted by Webbage at 11:50, 1/10/2008, in reply to message #108439
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I think the issue is they made a run of boards, or a couple of runs of boards for them and the last run has run out and they don't think it's economical to do another run, which I'd say was about right.

Lord knows, they aren't gonna sell many more at the prices they are asking. The number of reasons to run Iyonix are draining away rapidly, and most people who want or need one have got one. Emulation and maintaining old machines covers most of the bases for people needing support for a lot of legacy products, and as far as 'going forward' is concerned the hardware is dated and expensive. When you can buy a mobile phone that does more than the computer you are selling (iPhone G3 anyone??) for the same price and with current support, you know you are on a losing streak.

To be honest I'd rather see efforts directed towards porting RISC OS to a modern, low cost platform. There are going to be a metric ton of used, unwanted Windows Mobile cellphones that are being handed out like free sweets on cellphone contracts, I'm about to free up a second one (my dad's got the first one I abandoned). They all run off ARM32 cores with high-res screens and pointer devices. You can install Linux on one, so why not RISC OS? I'm sure it's been mooted before, but you can see my point.

I know it's sad to see a platform fizzle out, but at the end of the day a company has to make a profit, or at the very least break even, and if they can't then they won't go on selling.

[Edited by Webbage at 11:52, 1/10/2008]
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Andrew Message #108488, posted by andrew at 21:20, 5/10/2008, in reply to message #108446
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The Iyonix is over around 6 years old now so comparing to brand new modern PCs isn't fair. it had a good run and was a decent, capable fast computer and for most uses will remain so probably for some years. As well as that, the desktop market was never the only market for RISC OS for the lifespan of the Iyonix AIUI so the whole thing is more complicated than is often being made out.
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Glenn Burgess Message #108502, posted by DiscoBurgess at 14:03, 7/10/2008, in reply to message #108488
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The Iyonix is over around 6 years old now so comparing to brand new modern PCs isn't fair.
Yeah, but even comparing it to a 2002 PC leaves it somewhat lacking.
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Nathan Message #108508, posted by Wrath at 22:14, 8/10/2008, in reply to message #108446
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I know it's sad to see a platform fizzle out, but at the end of the day a company has to make a profit, or at the very least break even, and if they can't then they won't go on selling.
To be honest I'm amazed the Iyonix lasted this long in a market that virtually doesn't exist.

It is definitely sad for a platform fizzle out, it took me a long while to get over it but RO just doesn't have many/any strengths anymore. Even if a half-decent budget was applied, the OS is seriously out-of-date and I think it's about time the respirator was switched off. I can't see any market in porting it, what are the advantages...real advantages....?

It would be so nice to have it bounce back from the ashes but I can't see how unless someone is going to resurrect the old STB idea :-|
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Andrew Message #108509, posted by andrew at 00:03, 9/10/2008, in reply to message #108502
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The Iyonix is over around 6 years old now so comparing to brand new modern PCs isn't fair.
Yeah, but even comparing it to a 2002 PC leaves it somewhat lacking.
I think a lot of people would disagree with that on grounds of productivity and ease of use for two.
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Andrew Message #108510, posted by andrew at 00:09, 9/10/2008, in reply to message #108508
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I know it's sad to see a platform fizzle out, but at the end of the day a company has to make a profit, or at the very least break even, and if they can't then they won't go on selling.
To be honest I'm amazed the Iyonix lasted this long in a market that virtually doesn't exist.

It is definitely sad for a platform fizzle out, it took me a long while to get over it but RO just doesn't have many/any strengths anymore. Even if a half-decent budget was applied, the OS is seriously out-of-date and I think it's about time the respirator was switched off. I can't see any market in porting it, what are the advantages...real advantages....?

It would be so nice to have it bounce back from the ashes but I can't see how unless someone is going to resurrect the old STB idea :-|
As said above, part of the RISC OS market was after the compact low-power demanding OS that RISC OS represents or represented which doesn't get mentioned. Anyway, novelty is often much sought after. Many people (that is, many more than care to post on usenet etc) like the GUI a great deal and various applications a great deal. There's one possibility for a start that it can get the best of all worlds by running on top of Linux whilst retaining the ability to access the hardware.



[Edited by andrew at 00:10, 9/10/2008]
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Simon Challands Message #108511, posted by SimonC at 10:22, 9/10/2008, in reply to message #108508
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I know it's sad to see a platform fizzle out, but at the end of the day a company has to make a profit, or at the very least break even, and if they can't then they won't go on selling.
To be honest I'm amazed the Iyonix lasted this long in a market that virtually doesn't exist.

It is definitely sad for a platform fizzle out, it took me a long while to get over it but RO just doesn't have many/any strengths anymore. Even if a half-decent budget was applied, the OS is seriously out-of-date and I think it's about time the respirator was switched off. I can't see any market in porting it, what are the advantages...real advantages....?
Nothing concrete, it just feels nicer to use - it doesn't drive me nuts in the way Windows does with its attempts at hiding everything from you, and the guis I've seen on Linux (not many admittedly) seem to be too inspired by Windows. I don't know about Macs. Of course, that's provided you're happy with the much more limited range of things that you can actually do, usually slower than on other machines. It's hard to see a practical way it can survive; it's too tied to slow hardware and old software, and there's too much work needed to bring rather a lot of it up to date for a genuinely modern version to ever appear.
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