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Jason Togneri Message #117810, posted by filecore at 17:32, 24/5/2011, in reply to message #117808

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Are you saying it's bullshit?
"SoC" is such a vague and varied term, "first SoC" doesn't make much sense.
In short, you're talking about system-on-a-chip but you haven't actually yet defined system.

EDIT: syntax error, mismatched quotes. For once I'm not editing to get rid of a fucking smile, Cool Dude, or cool. Thank goodness for small blessings.

[Edited by filecore at 18:41, 24/5/2011]
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Eric Rucker Message #117811, posted by bhtooefr at 17:33, 24/5/2011, in reply to message #117808
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Do you consider the definition of "application processor" to be fuzzy?

If not, then an SoC is a class of microcontroller that uses an application processor, and sufficiently advanced peripherals.

Alternately, a microcontroller is a class of SoC that is usually considered distinct, and is differentiated by having a processor that is less powerful than an application processor, and having integrated RAM?
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qUE Message #117877, posted by qUE at 23:15, 31/5/2011, in reply to message #117808
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OK, here's a quote from the Inquirer:
"We didn't know it was a first, and the world didn't know it was a first. It was a long way before anyone was talking about systems-on-a-chip," said Wilson.
Are you saying it's bullshit? It could be included in the Wikipedia article as a claimed first (perhaps after being discussed on the talk page).
I'm saying it depends where you place the posts. "SoC" is such a vague and varied term, "first SoC" doesn't make much sense.

Do microcontrollers count? (They're whole systems, after all.) Does the RAM need to be included? Any ROM/Flash? Does it have to have video? (And thus excluding half of Marvell's SoCs that are so popular in NASes). Etc.
I'm with rjek on this. Intel MCS chips are way earlier than ARM ones, they're practically the precursor to all the PIC, Atmel & ARM SoCs afaik, hell Acorn used the 8051 as a keyboard controller in the Archimedes.
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Andrew Rawnsley Message #117880, posted by arawnsley at 08:47, 1/6/2011, in reply to message #117652
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Just to let you know that we should be getting some pre-RiscPC stuff coming in next week - following the feedback on here. BBC/A3000/5000 type stuff I think, and some old Acorn monitors.
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Trevor Johnson Message #117881, posted by trevj at 09:28, 1/6/2011, in reply to message #117880
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[...] getting some pre-RiscPC stuff [...]
Good news, especially for those who like to stay on topic!
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VinceH Message #117884, posted by VincceH at 14:42, 1/6/2011, in reply to message #117881
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especially for those who like to stay on topic!
I tried staying on a topic, but it just got squashed under my weight.
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