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Jeffrey Lee Message #56308, posted by Phlamethrower at 22:12, 28/6/2004
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I think I just spent about half an hour searching for a thread, only to realise that it was probably lost during the recent server crash :|

Anyway, proof that h11p works! (After some minor tweaking to change the IP address it listens to)

[pre-post-edit]

And IE just decided to forget my cookie as I was about to post this message. Arse!

And my RiscPC looks like the CD drive is starting to play up again. Double arse!

And since I seem to be on a roll, this. Triple arse!
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Simon Wilson Message #56309, posted by ksattic at 22:20, 28/6/2004, in reply to message #56308
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And my RiscPC looks like the CD drive is starting to play up again. Double arse!
I've already gone through 3 CD-ROM drives in my RiscPC (all suffered from mechanical failure - the original drive, one from Castle and one from Misco). I've given up now. It's not got one any more. :(
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Adrian Lees Message #56311, posted by adrianl at 23:31, 28/6/2004, in reply to message #56308
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Hey, I went looking for that thread a while ago too! :)

And I'm glad I'm not the only having a "nothing works" day, swearing at the screen over and over (who'd be a computer monitor, eh?)...

Castle's just announced audio capture sw for the Iyonix (at last!) and I can't get it because the 'update watcher' on my machine wouldn't know an update if it came with a 72-hour trumpet fanfare warning, a parade of 500 dancing girls and a squadron of Red Arrows pilots emblazoning the letters U,P,D,A,T and E across the sky in neon pink smoke!

*sulks*
(very loudly!)
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Simon Wilson Message #56312, posted by ksattic at 00:23, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56311
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Castle's just announced audio capture sw for the Iyonix (at last!) and I can't get it because the 'update watcher' on my machine wouldn't know an update if it came with a 72-hour trumpet fanfare warning, a parade of 500 dancing girls and a squadron of Red Arrows pilots emblazoning the letters U,P,D,A,T and E across the sky in neon pink smoke!
LOL!

Visit http://www.iyonix.com/updates/disc.shtml to get the update manually.
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Adrian Lees Message #56313, posted by adrianl at 00:32, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56312
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That doesn't work either. My copy of O2 is very out of date, which maybe doesn't help. Clicking on the IGetUpdate: link does sweet FA. I know I managed to bully it into downloading RO5.05 a while back, but it took a lot of effort and I've forgotten how I eventually succeeded.

My next approach is to try hacking the comms protocol to the Castle webserver! :o
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Phil Mellor Message #56316, posted by monkeyson2 at 00:41, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56312
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Excellent! Why didn't I notice this on the mailing list this evening? I now consider the Iyonix FINISHED. :P
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JMB Message #56317, posted by jmb at 00:51, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56313
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That doesn't work either. My copy of O2 is very out of date, which maybe doesn't help. Clicking on the IGetUpdate: link does sweet FA. I know I managed to bully it into downloading RO5.05 a while back, but it took a lot of effort and I've forgotten how I eventually succeeded.

If it doesn't work with the latest (and, yes, I *mean* the latest) build of NetSurf, I'd blame user error :P
<fx: sulks about trying to launch IGetFoo: URLs with NS uncovering bugs in his code>

My next approach is to try hacking the comms protocol to the Castle webserver! :o

A bit drastic, methinks ;)
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Simon Wilson Message #56319, posted by ksattic at 01:08, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56313
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The update was only available if fetched via the web before. It's now available for automatic download via the update watcher. Hopefully you've received a popup by now! If not, I'll email you a copy.
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Adrian Lees Message #56320, posted by adrianl at 01:20, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56317
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Brilliant, that's done the job!

*grabs everything from the site before IyoUpWtch has time to notice, just in case....*

Thanks!
*delete !O2

I owe you a |beer|. And, since |beer| isn't good for you, I'll return the favour by drinking it for you ;)


BTW, whilst we're discussing NetSurf, I download the source to have a nosey but I appear to be missing the necessary 'lib<blah>' libraries & can't see them in the sf repository. Should I just grab them from the appropriate projects? Do they compile unmodified for use in NetSurf and/or do I need specific versions?
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Adrian Lees Message #56321, posted by adrianl at 01:24, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56319
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The update was only available if fetched via the web before. It's now available for automatic download via the update watcher. Hopefully you've received a popup by now! If not, I'll email you a copy.

No, I haven't got a popup. I never get popups. Well, only for USBInfo after I've clicked "Don't tell me again" because I only use USB for keyboard & mouse (and hate the keyboard at that!)

Anyway, courtesy of JMB, I now have a copy. Thanks for the offer.
(I'd just started trying to guess the parameters to !IyoUpWtch.GetUpdates BTW!)
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Simon Wilson Message #56322, posted by ksattic at 01:30, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56321
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You know you can force updates with the update watcher, right?

Don't tell me that doesn't work either!! ;)
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JMB Message #56323, posted by jmb at 01:30, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56320
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Brilliant, that's done the job!

:E

I owe you a |beer|. And, since |beer| isn't good for you, I'll return the favour by drinking it for you ;)

tsk.

BTW, whilst we're discussing NetSurf, I download the source to have a nosey but I appear to be missing the necessary 'lib<blah>' libraries & can't see them in the sf repository. Should I just grab them from the appropriate projects? Do they compile unmodified for use in NetSurf and/or do I need specific versions?

Most of them do, yes.












I'll save you the effort - http://netsurf.strcprstskrzkrk.co.uk/developer/ :P

[edit] Oh, and http://ro-oslib.sf.net/ for oslib. NetSurf builds with both GCC and Norcroft. If you're compiling under RISC OS, you'll probably want to modify riscos/mk appropriately. Also, the /developer/ dir I mentioned above has prebuilt versions of the automatically generated source files. Saves setting up perl et al.



[Edited by jmb at 02:36, 29/6/2004]
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Adrian Lees Message #56325, posted by adrianl at 02:10, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56323
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Wahey, thanks for all that. I've got some learning to do! :)
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Adrian Lees Message #56326, posted by adrianl at 02:17, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56322
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You know you can force updates with the update watcher, right?

Don't tell me that doesn't work either!! ;)

Well, I know that I'm supposed to be able to force updates....

In fact I did get a popup eventually, but it never did anything beyond its connection dance (0,1,2,3...) each of the myriad times that I hit 'look for updates now.' IIRC it never has.

Popups are sporadic at best.... and the links on the website still do nothing with this (archaic?) version of O2 for some unfathomable reason. So, NetSurf it is.
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Andrew Poole Message #56331, posted by andypoole at 08:38, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56326

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You know you can force updates with the update watcher, right?

Don't tell me that doesn't work either!! ;)

Well, I know that I'm supposed to be able to force updates....

In fact I did get a popup eventually, but it never did anything beyond its connection dance (0,1,2,3...) each of the myriad times that I hit 'look for updates now.' IIRC it never has.

Popups are sporadic at best.... and the links on the website still do nothing with this (archaic?) version of O2 for some unfathomable reason. So, NetSurf it is.
Um, silly question, but why not update !O2?

Andy.
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Adrian Lees Message #56345, posted by adrianl at 12:13, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56331
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Um, silly question, but why not update !O2?
Castle-permitting I will. This is a developer machine and somehow I was overlooked. I've never pursued it until now.
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Andrew Poole Message #56347, posted by andypoole at 13:24, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56345

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Um, silly question, but why not update !O2?
Castle-permitting I will. This is a developer machine and somehow I was overlooked. I've never pursued it until now.
I thought that, like !Oregano (which I use, having refused to pay £50-odd to upgrade to !Oregano2), it has an automatic updater system built in?

Andy.
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Adrian Lees Message #56348, posted by adrianl at 14:23, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56347
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Um, silly question, but why not update !O2?

Castle-permitting I will. This is a developer machine and somehow I was overlooked. I've never pursued it until now.


I thought that, like !Oregano (which I use, having refused to pay £50-odd to upgrade to !Oregano2), it has an automatic updater system built in?

Maybe it has. AFAICR this (very early) demo of O2 never bothered me about updates, though I could have smacked the 'sod off and leave me alone button' 18 months ago and not remembered ;)

Now running the shiny, spangly, latest version of O2. Well, 'walking' it anyway.... feels rather sluggish TBH.
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Richard Goodwin Message #56349, posted by rich at 14:33, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56348
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Now running the shiny, spangly, latest version of O2. Well, 'walking' it anyway.... feels rather sluggish TBH.
Hope you're not just pointing it to the 1.0 empire (TIB etc.) - apparently it doesn't like us. It's supposed to be faster on other sites; these sites if you go via a proxy; or these sites if you use any other browser. Sounds like someone out there doesn't like us ;)
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Adrian Lees Message #56350, posted by adrianl at 14:57, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56349
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Now running the shiny, spangly, latest version of O2. Well, 'walking' it anyway.... feels rather sluggish TBH.
Hope you're not just pointing it to the 1.0 empire (TIB etc.) - apparently it doesn't like us. It's supposed to be faster on other sites
No, it's not that.... it's just the general feel of the app, and especially the redraw speed. Perusing that thread it's closer to 3 seconds than 13 to download & render TIB pages.... I'm just impatient :P

So many people like to say that the user is the slowest part of any system, so tuning your code is a waste of time, yet still I have to wait for computers to boot, programs to load, web pages to be rendered (not just downloaded), ATMs are far too slow, telephones don't keep up with my dialling speed.... </rant>

Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes
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Adrian Lees Message #56353, posted by adrianl at 15:00, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56350
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And another thing, why don't programs support non-square pixel modes nowadays?! :(

Well, the thread is called grumbles
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Phil Mellor Message #56358, posted by monkeyson2 at 15:35, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56353
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And another thing, why don't programs support non-square pixel modes nowadays?! :(

Well, the thread is called grumbles
When I had my A3010 I was really narked with people who didn't design low res icons for their apps.

Eventually I got a better monitor and no longer cared about the low res icons... only the paletted 256 colour ones that took forever to invert :P

Do you use a rectangular pixel mode regularly then? I notice the Aemulor screenshots in the manual are all like that. :o
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Adrian Lees Message #56361, posted by adrianl at 15:52, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56358
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When I had my A3010 I was really narked with people who didn't design low res icons for their apps.

Eventually I got a better monitor and no longer cared about the low res icons...

I like to think that the programmers concerned are ignorant of the problem, rather than just not caring!

Do you use a rectangular pixel mode regularly then? I notice the Aemulor screenshots in the manual are all like that. :o

Most of the time, partly because it gives a better aspect ratio to text (StrongED & command line) and more lines on the screen (very useful when programming!) and partly because I'm still using an AKF60 that refuses to die ;) It can handle my custom rectangular pixel modes at 75Hz or the standard 1024 x 768 at a distressing 60Hz :o

I usually try to remember to switch to 1024 x 768 for grabbing screenshots but often forget. I know that some programs handle such sprites incorrectly, you see.
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Simon Wilson Message #56364, posted by ksattic at 16:14, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56361
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Most of the time, partly because it gives a better aspect ratio to text (StrongED & command line) and more lines on the screen (very useful when programming!)
Perhaps I'm not understanding this, but by definition don't regular (tall-pixel) rectangular pixel modes give you less scan lines (and thus less text lines)?

Quite a lot of people use rectangular pixel modes inadvertantly. How many of you are using 1280x1024 on a 4:3 monitor?
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Phil Mellor Message #56366, posted by monkeyson2 at 16:41, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56364
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Quite a lot of people use rectangular pixel modes inadvertantly. How many of you are using 1280x1024 on a 4:3 monitor?
Depends how you set the minotor up to stretch the image.

I use 1360x1024 :)
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Jeffrey Lee Message #56370, posted by Phlamethrower at 17:46, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56366
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This thread was more popular than I expected! :o

*watches a bird fly past, making the noise of a jet*

Umm, maybe that was a jet :blush:
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John Hoare Message #56371, posted by moss at 17:48, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56370

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bird... making... noise...jet
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Simon Wilson Message #56374, posted by ksattic at 18:39, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56371
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Worst. Thread. Ever.

I've been watching The Simpsons too much. ;)
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Phil Mellor Message #56376, posted by monkeyson2 at 19:10, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56374
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I've been watching The Simpsons too much. ;)
That isn't possible.
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Simon Wilson Message #56377, posted by ksattic at 19:13, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56376
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I've been watching The Simpsons too much. ;)
That isn't possible.
You're right. ;)

Worst. Excuse. Ever.
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