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The Icon Bar: The Playpen: Wanting to buy things despite not needing them
 
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Phil Mellor Message #61321, posted by monkeyson2 at 11:17, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61320
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You're not the only one. I've often wondered about learning my way round MacOS and writing a few programs for it, especially now they've done away with the old OS kernel.... this could be a cheap intro. I was reading a book about Mac OS X last week, strangely enough....
Tsk. Haven't you got enough RO software to be writing? :P
He's going to rewrite Classic, the OS 9 emulator for them... :P
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Adrian Lees Message #61322, posted by adrianl at 11:28, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61321
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He's going to rewrite Classic, the OS 9 emulator for them...

*checks the room for spy cameras that could spot the "Optimizing PowerPC code" book at his side*
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Paul Vigay Message #61328, posted by pvigay at 14:34, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #58369

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acp. Might try one at home on the dialup line there.. Maybe.. Nah.
Makes mental note to self.... Put Poolie's rent up....! :E
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Paul Vigay Message #61329, posted by pvigay at 14:34, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #59074

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Went for the 512MB and it's lovely. 1GB is too expensive for something that I WILL lose at some point.
My 1GB one was 40 quid from www.aria.co.uk
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Andrew Poole Message #61331, posted by andypoole at 14:45, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61328

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acp. Might try one at home on the dialup line there.. Maybe.. Nah.
Makes mental note to self.... Put Poolie's rent up....! :E
Erm, by "home", I meant home home, not your home :P
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Phil Mellor Message #61334, posted by monkeyson2 at 15:15, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61329
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Went for the 512MB and it's lovely. 1GB is too expensive for something that I WILL lose at some point.
My 1GB one was 40 quid from www.aria.co.uk
Does it fit in the Iyonix's front USB ports?
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Paul Vigay Message #61335, posted by pvigay at 17:02, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61334

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Does it fit in the Iyonix's front USB ports?
It does physically (it's tiny!) but it doesn't work unfortunately because apparently there are two types of pendrive protocol; ATAPI and SCSI. So far only SCSI ones are recognised by RISC OS, and of course quite a few of the Pendrives available are ATAPI format.
Generally, if it requires a driver disc for Windows98 or Mac OS 9 then it won't work on RISC OS.

It's not a major problem to me personally though because I've got the Mac networked with the Iyonix and I can access the pendrive from the Iyonix across the network.
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Adrian Lees Message #61336, posted by adrianl at 18:08, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61320
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Tsk. Haven't you got enough RO software to be writing? :P
*sulks. goes off to invent another program in protest...*

Hmmm, how abut something to bring all the pinboard icons to the front of the window stack temporarily so that you can find the damn things when there are windows everywhere..... anyone done that yet?
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Jason Tribbeck Message #61337, posted by tribbles at 18:16, 13/1/2005, in reply to message #61335
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apparently there are two types of pendrive protocol; ATAPI and SCSI. So far only SCSI ones are recognised by RISC OS, and of course quite a few of the Pendrives available are ATAPI format.
There's actually a possible 65537 (yes, 7) possible 'protocols' are available for mass storage devices such as pen drives, but you'll probably only see 3 or 4.

USB devices (in case anyone didn't know) have three fields associated with them that determine how they work. There's the class field, sub-class field and protocol. They are sometimes quoted in hexadecimal, and form 3 pairs of 2 digits, separated by colon.

The class for mass storage is '08'. The only other option for mass storage devices is 'ff', which is 'proprietary'.

It's the sub-class that you'll see the first differences. MassFS supports sub-class '06', which is "SCSI transparent command set". '02' is the one that is ATAPI, but the differences for the command codes between ATAPI and SCSI commands are minimal (some byte lengths are different). This is normally used for CD/DVD drives (since they tend to be IDE with a USB front-end).

There are three defined protocols, '00', '01' and '50'. MassFS supports protocol '50', which is 'Bulk-only' transport (also known as BBB for 'Bulk-Bulk-Bulk' - indicating what each of the communications 'pipes' are doing).

Earlier devices use '00' or '01', which are both 'CBI' protocols ('Control/Bulk/Interrupt') - there's slight differences in they way they work. This is discouraged for new devices.

MassFS's supported devices are '08:06:50', which is the bulk of the pen drives (in fact, I haven't seen any ATAPI pen drives).

Some devices use completely proprietary protocols ('ff:ff:ff').

Generally, if it requires a driver disc for Windows98 or Mac OS 9 then it won't work on RISC OS.
To be more specific, Win98SE, or a better guide would be 2000 or XP. Win98FE probably won't work on all mass storage devices.
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Jason Togneri Message #61346, posted by filecore at 08:54, 14/1/2005, in reply to message #61337

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Have to say... got myself a SanDisk Cruzer Mini 256MB USB drive, and got one for the girlfriend too. From christmas we now have the SanDisk MP3 Companion, a proprietary MP3 player which uses the USB stick as removable music storage, which means we can keep our own music on our own USB sticks and swap the device as needed.

Advantages:

1) small and light
2) upgradable capacity - you just upgrade the USB stick
3) interchangable USB sticks at a moment's notice, good for sharing with girlfriend
4) remembers last song and position when switched off/on
5) backlit LCD screen
6) good menu system, upgradable via firmware from website
7) you don't have to delete your MP3s before somebody else can customise their playlist
8) batteries last about 9 hours :) a single AAA at a time
9) comes with removable belt clip and GOOD QUALITY headphones, as well as two free AAA batteries (brand name, too)

Disadvantages:

1) can't think of any. It's perfect! At the moment, SanDisk have 128MB, 256MB, 512MB, 1GB, 2GB and 4GB memory sticks available, so I can upgade as the prices drop in the future, firmware upgrade the player, and stay at the edge! I love it :)
2) EDIT: thought of one, but I did say it in the first paragraph... the storage drive is proprietary, so you can't use any other brand of USB memory with it other than SanDisk's own Cruzer Mini. But I don't mind, it's high quality and works well, and really, it's a very minor detail.

Pics:

http://bb.nifty.com/clip/trend/lineup/image/ph_digiaudio_040109_02_l.jpg (with screen on)
http://www.polus.com.ru/e-images/20040113_sandiskcruzermicro_01.jpg (large)
http://www.polus.com.ru/e-images/20040113_sandiskcruzermicro_02.jpg (with headphones)

[Edited by filecore at 09:00, 14/1/2005]
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Phil Mellor Message #61347, posted by monkeyson2 at 09:13, 14/1/2005, in reply to message #61346
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Presumably you can use it with RISC OS, there's no essential Windows playlist software you need?
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Jason Togneri Message #61376, posted by filecore at 07:16, 17/1/2005, in reply to message #61347

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Presumably you can use it with RISC OS, there's no essential Windows playlist software you need?
Nope. Just any random old MP3... it actually doesn't even come with ANY software, not even a Win98SE driver disk like every single other product out there. Just dump MP3s directly onto the drive or into genre-based subfolders (if you so desire) and put it into the player. B)
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Richard Wilson Message #61389, posted by not_ginger_matt at 16:28, 18/1/2005, in reply to message #58357
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7. Full Size Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles Arcade System

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6145458826&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:UK:6
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Andrew Poole Message #61391, posted by andypoole at 19:09, 18/1/2005, in reply to message #61389

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7. Full Size Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles Arcade System

OAB:UK:6">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6145458826&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:UK:6
Did you find four friends yet? :P

acp.
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Richard Wilson Message #61392, posted by not_ginger_matt at 19:44, 18/1/2005, in reply to message #61391
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Did you find four friends yet? :P
Only 3 friends are needed :P
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Andrew Poole Message #61393, posted by andypoole at 20:01, 18/1/2005, in reply to message #61392

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Did you find four friends yet? :P
Only 3 friends are needed :P
Four. You need one to take photos of the other three playing :P
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Richard Goodwin Message #61396, posted by rich at 09:43, 19/1/2005, in reply to message #61393
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Only 3 friends are needed :P
Four. You need one to take photos of the other three playing :P
Well, I guess we know what kind of magazines Poolie usually reads...
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RichGCheers,
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Ian Cook Message #61407, posted by ilcook at 21:59, 19/1/2005, in reply to message #61396
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Well, I guess we know what kind of magazines Poolie usually reads...


You would definately know that wouldn't you :)
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Phil Mellor Message #105911, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:31, 8/1/2008, in reply to message #59074
monkeyson2Please don't let them make me be a monkey butler

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1. A usb pen drive.
Watch it, or Paul Vigay will be along bragging about his 1GB one tongue
I've got one. tongue

Went for the 512MB and it's lovely. 1GB is too expensive for something that I WILL lose at some point.
I'VE LOST IT. Crybaby
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Jeffrey Lee Message #105912, posted by Phlamethrower at 14:45, 8/1/2008, in reply to message #105911
PhlamethrowerHot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot Hot stuff

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1. A usb pen drive.
Watch it, or Paul Vigay will be along bragging about his 1GB one tongue
I've got one. tongue

Went for the 512MB and it's lovely. 1GB is too expensive for something that I WILL lose at some point.
I'VE LOST IT. Crybaby
shock

Are you a member of the military or HMRC? 'cos you might have some luck looking for your lost property in libraries, or on ebay.

And is £9.99 still too expensive for you to buy a 1GB model?
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Phil Mellor Message #105913, posted by monkeyson2 at 14:53, 8/1/2008, in reply to message #105912
monkeyson2Please don't let them make me be a monkey butler

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I'VE FOUND IT AGAIN.

(It was in the old laptop bag under my desk at work, which hasn't been used for ages judging by the out of date Tracker bar it was co-habiting with.)
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