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The Icon Bar: General: Target for RISC OS?
 
  Target for RISC OS?
  glavallin (01:06 5/5/2010)
  Phlamethrower (01:44 5/5/2010)
  nunfetishist (09:58 5/5/2010)
    trevj (12:00 5/5/2010)
      filecore (13:54 5/5/2010)
        trevj (15:43 5/5/2010)
          filecore (17:16 5/5/2010)
            bhtooefr (22:34 5/5/2010)
              nunfetishist (00:47 6/5/2010)
                ninj (14:43 7/5/2010)
                  nunfetishist (15:09 7/5/2010)
                    ninj (17:18 7/5/2010)
                bhtooefr (23:36 7/5/2010)
 
Geoff Lavallin Message #114300, posted by glavallin at 01:06, 5/5/2010
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Only dreaming though the Pad JooJoo would be nice.
Anyone know if it uses an ARM processor.
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http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/mobile-devices/2010/04/30/a-look-at-joojoo-web-tablet-the-ipad-rival-40088823/?s_cid=115
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Jeffrey Lee Message #114301, posted by Phlamethrower at 01:44, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114300
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It's got an Intel Atom CPU, i.e. x86. Not to be confused with the Acorn Atom, obviously wink
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Rob Kendrick Message #114304, posted by nunfetishist at 09:58, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114300
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Plus, how would you open menus?
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Trevor Johnson Message #114305, posted by trevj at 12:00, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114304
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Plus, how would you open menus?
Or use Adjust? Click-and-hold could work for either of them but I can't see how such a technique could be extended to work for both.

In the case of this device (disregarding its x86 CPU) there's also a USB port so a mouse could potentially be used... although that really defeats the object of having a compact, portable touchscreen device! But touchscreen devices with an integrated (or optional) keyboard/touchpad will permit workaround solutions.
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Jason Togneri Message #114306, posted by filecore at 13:54, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114305

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Surely, for different types of click on a touchscreen device, you would implement click length?

Tap once = single-click (select in RO)
Tap twice = double-click (adjust in RO)
Tap and hold = menu-click (menu in RO)

Edit: okay, I just re-read that and I realise it's a bit silly as it stands, but you get the idea, right?

[Edited by filecore at 13:55, 5/5/2010]
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Trevor Johnson Message #114307, posted by trevj at 15:43, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114306
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...you get the idea, right?
Yes but what about (double-clicking select in RO)? And (triple-clicking select in RO), e.g. in DTP software? Maybe an option to send a menu-click (tap and hold) as (adjust in RO) would work for menu items and dialogue boxes.

But this would produce a clash within a directory viewer. When over a file or directory, all of the above (except triple-click) produce different effects.

I'm sure Acorn/Castle/ROOL/ROL people have already discussed this previously at length... and have possibly come up with a workable solution.
Edit: Touchscreen Driver on ROOL forum

Admittedly, no one's going to be doing DTP on a touchscreen... even with an onscreen keyboard.

[Edited by trevj at 16:34, 5/5/2010]
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Jason Togneri Message #114308, posted by filecore at 17:16, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114307

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You got it in your footnote. There are some things that just aren't practical, sensible or realistic on a non-desktop machine. Likewise, there are keyclicks and shortcut combinations that can't be adequately replicated on a PDA, touchscreen tablet or even on a laptop (I have some translation software which makes use of keypad input, and while this is doable on a laptop with the Fn key, it's clunky and awkward).

The point is, different machine formats are good for different functions. The desktop with its extensive input sources has its place, and the netbook, tablet and PDA-type all have theirs. It is both shortsighted and awkward to implement all the functionality of one machine type in another. So trying to implement (for example) RO functionality on a tablet PC will not and cannot be the same as implementing it in a desktop machine, and end users can't expect the same experience from each.
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Eric Rucker Message #114315, posted by bhtooefr at 22:34, 5/5/2010, in reply to message #114308
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It'd be interesting to see how the NewsPAD handled it, being a tablet made by Acorn.

Windows (CE, Mobile, and Tablet PC versions) treat a long press (the tap and hold) as a right click (or, bringing up the context menu, so the equivalent of a RISC OS middle click.) Of course, on Tablet PCs, the (Wacom) stylus usually has a side button to press while tapping for a right click, as well.

[Edited by bhtooefr at 22:35, 5/5/2010]
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Rob Kendrick Message #114318, posted by nunfetishist at 00:47, 6/5/2010, in reply to message #114315
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Windows (CE, Mobile, and Tablet PC versions) treat a long press (the tap and hold) as a right click (or, bringing up the context menu, so the equivalent of a RISC OS middle click.) Of course, on Tablet PCs, the (Wacom) stylus usually has a side button to press while tapping for a right click, as well.
Yes. Unfortunately, this type of capacitive screen is both expensive and incompatible with fingers. The Thinkpad tablet I often demonstrate NetSurf on at shows has two capacitive screens; one for the pen stylus that has three "buttons", and another for multi-touch finger pokery.
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ninjah Message #114329, posted by ninj at 14:43, 7/5/2010, in reply to message #114318
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And the iPad's screen, assuming it's the same as an iPhone's, isn't compatible with conventional styluses, without or without auxillary buttons.

Personally I like the idea of a double tap and hold for menus, and while you hold the menu stays open. That would take a chunk of work to fit into RISC OS of course, and doesn't address any of the issues of how to also integrate in triple clicks, right clicks, shift clicks, alt clicks, menu right clicks and all sorts of other clicks. RISC OS only really works with a pointing device and five buttons IMO.
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Rob Kendrick Message #114334, posted by nunfetishist at 15:09, 7/5/2010, in reply to message #114329
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And the iPad's screen, assuming it's the same as an iPhone's, isn't compatible with conventional styluses, without or without auxillary buttons.
That's because it's capacitive smile
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ninjah Message #114340, posted by ninj at 17:18, 7/5/2010, in reply to message #114334
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Quite. I was distinguishing it from the type of capacitive surface (and type of stylus) on certain Wacom tablets smile
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Eric Rucker Message #114342, posted by bhtooefr at 23:36, 7/5/2010, in reply to message #114318
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Huh, I thought the upper layer on the "MultiTouch" display was resistive, not capacitive.

(I used to support a small deployment of X61 Tablets with the MT display, and had an X61 Tablet with the SXGA+ display.)
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