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Phil Mellor |
Message #105011, posted by monkeyson2 at 19:53, 28/10/2007, in reply to message #105010 |
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http://m3.entitea.com/pics/pic_5580970011890947492.jpg  
Why do people hate Amstrads so much? I had one, and it was quite nice.
And where would RISC OS be in that line up?
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Chris |
Message #105013, posted by Chris at 20:24, 28/10/2007, in reply to message #105011 |
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richard cheng |
Message #105021, posted by richcheng at 11:08, 29/10/2007, in reply to message #105013 |
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Love the Photoshoppage.
So who's got Leopard then? We're getting a copy at the office, but it's not arrived yet.
When are we changing the name of the site to AppleBar? |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #105025, posted by andypoole at 11:36, 29/10/2007, in reply to message #105021 |
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Love the Photoshoppage.
So who's got Leopard then? We're getting a copy at the office, but it's not arrived yet. I will be at some point in the next couple of weeks. Probably.
When are we changing the name of the site to AppleBar? It's already been done. iConbar.  |
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Richard Goodwin |
Message #105031, posted by rich at 19:33, 29/10/2007, in reply to message #105025 |
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When are we changing the name of the site to AppleBar? It's already been done. iConbar.
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #105037, posted by tribbles at 23:41, 29/10/2007, in reply to message #105021 |
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Not got Leopard yet; I'm waiting for the dust to settle with this blue screen stuff.
And I want to upgrade Logic at the same time.
And get a new laptop 
Will probably do it in the New Year. |
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John Hoare |
Message #105040, posted by moss at 01:05, 30/10/2007, in reply to message #105037 |
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Not got Leopard yet; I'm waiting for the dust to settle with this blue screen stuff. http://daringfireball.net/2007/10/blue_in_the_face
I'm not getting Leopard yet either. With a 512MB Mac Mini, there doesn't seem much point - any money I spent on it would be better off going towards a 1GB upgrade.
Although I hope to make enough money from my business (which is finally going well - lots of jobs on at the moment) to buy a Macbook Pro in the New Year. Although I might hold off and wait for next line refresh. |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #105043, posted by tribbles at 12:04, 30/10/2007, in reply to message #105040 |
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http://daringfireball.net/2007/10/blue_in_the_face Hmm - doesn't seem quite as bad as I thought (although I've no idea if I've inadvertently installed an old APE version - but I'll look for those files/directories)... |
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richard cheng |
Message #105096, posted by richcheng at 15:04, 2/11/2007, in reply to message #105043 |
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Okay. Leopard is now installed on my work iMac. Install went smoothly, and took about an hour.
So far, no complaints from me.
Good features:
1. Quick Look, which I initially thought sounded gimmicky, and which I thought would probably be too slow to ever actually consider using, seems pretty much instantaneous. The jury's still out on whether I find myself actually using it day-to-day.
2. Spaces is a pretty nice virtual desktop implementation. Like it.
3. Networking is waaay better. The automatic list of available computers on the network seems to actually work properly, and the lack of beachball-of-death when failing to connect to one is much appreciated.
All in all, I give it a thumbs up, and suspect I will upgrade my girlfriend's boxes when I get around to it. |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #105101, posted by monkeyson2 at 15:54, 2/11/2007, in reply to message #105096 |
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my girlfriend's boxes |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #105146, posted by tribbles at 12:05, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105101 |
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I went to the Apple store (London) last night and bought Leopard (and an upgrade to Logic Studio - which comes on 10 DVDs).
Will be installing it tonight... |
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Jeffrey Lee |
Message #105147, posted by Phlamethrower at 12:06, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105146 |
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- which comes on 10 DVDs
When are Apple going to start making machines with HD-DVD/Blu-ray drives, then? |
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richard cheng |
Message #105153, posted by richcheng at 16:13, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105096 |
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4. Screen sharing is a nice, user-friendly front end to VNC too. |
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richard cheng |
Message #105154, posted by richcheng at 16:14, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105153 |
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5. Terminal is massively improved. |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #105160, posted by tribbles at 19:23, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105154 |
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Installation now done; had to do a forced reboot though (all updates now done). |
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Jason Tribbeck |
Message #105167, posted by tribbles at 23:32, 8/11/2007, in reply to message #105147 |
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- which comes on 10 DVDs
When are Apple going to start making machines with HD-DVD/Blu-ray drives, then?
Well, I didn't want to see this during the first DVD at 22:30
It's now 4 hours and 8 minutes... |
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Jason Togneri |
Message #105169, posted by filecore at 08:59, 9/11/2007, in reply to message #105037 |
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Not got Leopard yet; I'm waiting for the dust to settle with this blue screen stuff. beachball-of-death when failing to connect (Yes, I realise it was a "we no longer have...")
Installation now done; had to do a forced reboot though Mwahahahaha! All you Apple fanbois! Now it sounds like you're talking about Windows. See how your mighty OS has fallen! This is the sort of stuff you complained about for years on Windows boxes, and now your Mac OS is doing the same. I find this most amusing. |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #105170, posted by monkeyson2 at 09:15, 9/11/2007, in reply to message #105169 |
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Mwahahahaha! All you Apple fanbois! Now it sounds like you're talking about Windows. See how your mighty OS has fallen! This is the sort of stuff you complained about for years on Windows boxes, and now your Mac OS is doing the same. I find this most amusing. *Blames Intel or ATI, or something* |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #105183, posted by andypoole at 09:45, 10/11/2007, in reply to message #105170 |
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Well I shall be installing the big spotted cat later today, along with the new versions of iLife and iWork.
I'm going to format the drive and start from afresh with leopard. I've tinkered too much with stuff in Tiger, and would prefer the "newness" instead of finding my stuff all over the place in it.
This is of course once I've been into town after ringing the quarter this morning to pick it up from the post office who didn't want to deliver it. |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #105185, posted by andypoole at 12:22, 10/11/2007, in reply to message #105183 |
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Well I shall be installing the big spotted cat later today, along with the new versions of iLife and iWork.
I'm going to format the drive and start from afresh with leopard. I've tinkered too much with stuff in Tiger, and would prefer the "newness" instead of finding my stuff all over the place in it.
This is of course once I've been into town after ringing the quarter this morning to pick it up from the post office who didn't want to deliver it. Well, it's installing... Right now it says "installing mac os x on the volume 'minnie'", and that it's still caclculating the time remaining. There's a lot of optical drive noise going on.. |
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Andrew Poole |
Message #105186, posted by andypoole at 13:18, 10/11/2007, in reply to message #105185 |
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And I'm in
I didn't have to force any reboots or anything, either
Now.. to install iLife and iWork, then put all my iData back on here... |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #106781, posted by monkeyson2 at 23:40, 17/3/2008, in reply to message #105186 |
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I have teh Leopard. ROAR!
Installation was fine, apart from me writing down my wireless router password incorrectly and not being able to reconnect. Yay for the Wii internet channel letting me find it out again! |
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John |
Message #106785, posted by mr-mac at 12:14, 18/3/2008, in reply to message #105010 |
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The way it looks to me....
that list is just marketing bs to make people think they are getting a lot.... Have Microsoft not been relying on marketing BS for years?
Your right though it will be nice to see a real list of improvements from end users...
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Andrew Poole |
Message #106794, posted by andypoole at 15:38, 18/3/2008, in reply to message #106781 |
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I have teh Leopard. ROAR!
Installation was fine, apart from me writing down my wireless router password incorrectly and not being able to reconnect. Yay for the Wii internet channel letting me find it out again! Did you do an upgrade install, or a fresh install? I hear reports that fresh installs are generally the best way to go, however YMMV.
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Phil Mellor |
Message #106797, posted by monkeyson2 at 17:03, 18/3/2008, in reply to message #106794 |
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Did you do an upgrade install, or a fresh install? I hear reports that fresh installs are generally the best way to go, however YMMV. Upgrade. I've got too much stuff installed, downloaded and set up to do a clean install, and not enough hard drive space to do an archive and install. 
I wish I'd reformatted my external hard drive from FAT32 to HFS+ when I bought it - although I've got stuff backed up on it, I'm not convinced that restoring applications and anything involving HFS+ properties, unix permissions, or symbolic links would work properly. |
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Phil Mellor |
Message #108975, posted by monkeyson2 at 23:54, 8/12/2008, in reply to message #104807 |
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So then, let's revisit this:
Automator: Improved UI, UI recording, Command Line Utility, Workflow Variables, Workflow Looping, PDF manipulation. I've only recently discovered Automator, and these all look lovely enhancements. Not actually used it. Wanted to use it several times when I was at work. 
Boot Camp: wouldn't use it personally, but I know this is a big feature for potential Mac switchers. Haven't used it. I have Crossover for testing sites with IE6.
Dock: new look. I think I'm the only person who likes it. Used the old (2D) style Dock on my Mac Mini. Use the new 3D Dock on my MacBook Pro - strangely, it seems to work really well there - possibly because the screen is up against the keyboard.
Dictionary: Wikipedia integration. Dictionary is accessible from the context menu of pretty much any selected text, so this is great. Not used the full Dictionary app much, but I use the integrated spellchecker all the time.
DVD player: all of it, but especially scratched disk recovery and image bar. I like the chapter thumbnails, but haven't had the need to use any of the more advanced features.
Graphics & Media: Core Image filters - I assume image manipulators that make use of CI (like Acorn) will work with these. Core Animation - looks very powerful (but waiting to see what developers do with it) Again, not really done much creative work that would use these features yet.
Photo Booth: just incase those vodcasts ever happen Great for larking about. The rollercoaster background is fun fun fun!
Preview: Hate the look of the toolbar buttons, but other than that the new UI and image/pdf processing features are a big improvement. Love it - especially with the pinch/squeeze zoom controls and two fingered panning. Turned the toolbar off - no need for it.
Finder: Finally they've FTFF. Love it. Haven't really used Cover Flow though.
Quick Look: if it's as quick as the name suggests, this a good thing - especially when using Time Machine with the Finder. Love it - it's one of the things I really miss on a non-Leopard machine (PC or Mac). It even works on things like Garageband files.
Safari: Been using the beta for a while, and I prefer it to Firefox and Camino, so ner. Still prefer it to other browsers - the UI just feels more polished. I've ditched Safari for Windows at work and use Chrome instead. Love WebKit's Web Inspector tool in either case, though.
Spaces: best virtual desktop implementation I've seen for a while - especially how it integrates with Expose so you can see all the virtual desktops on one screen and drag windows between them. Enabled it, kept forgetting to use it. I've become a fan of the age-old Hide Current App / Hide Others shortcuts instead.
Spotlight: Boolean logic. Search by filename. Application launching. Calculations (I normally use Google as my desktop calculator, so this will streamline things quite a bit) Use it all the time. Completely fail to organise any files now - I just have a big directory filled with stuff. (I always lapsed into doing this before on all my other computers, but with Spotlight it doesn't actually matter now)
System: Guest log-in accounts. Scroll non-active windows. Grammar check (system wide). The scrolling is dead useful - RISC OS works the same way IIRC. Can't say I've noticed the grammar check - maybe I made it up?
Time machine: I get to travel in time and space with Billie Piper?  Already saved me a couple of times - a podcast clearout that was a bit too drastic, restoring edited photos that I'd removed because I didn't like the results at the time, and recovering great chunks of source code that I'd hacked around with and got into a totally broken state. (I did this on purpose knowing I'd be able to recover my changes).
It's also handy that I can access the backups from my Mini on my MBP (they're both on a 1TB external hard drive). The one disadvantage of my haphazard filing system is that I end up with tons of junk I no longer need, so when I got my new Mac I didn't transfer much of it over. Because it's all backed up on my Time Machine disk, I can just browse it with the Finder and grab the bits I need at the time without having to rig up the old computer again.
Universal Access: Alex - a new voice. Sometimes I self-proof-read documents by getting the computer to read them out. The demo I heard of this voice was really, really good. It is remarkably better than the older voices (which we used for Virtual Vigay on Podcast 2).
UNIX: Ruby on Rails built in. Cocoa bridges for Python. On the to-do list.
XCode 3: Instant-on debugging. Objective-C 2 (I actually might start learning this, this time). Refactoring. I really, really like developing stuff for the iPhone. Already written a couple of apps (I might polish one up for the App Store when I get time). Hated XCode on my old Mini - far too slow, and it kept swapping all the time - but it's way better on the MBP. Interface Builder is neat - reminds me of ResEd, but nicer.
Other stuff I like -
- Stacks. Safari downloads everything to my Downloads folder (naturally). I have a stack with the files sorted by most recently added. It bounces once when a download is complete, and I can just click on it to see the new file. It's not rocket science, but it's a very slick way of working.
- File previews. These just seem really nicely done. They're generated quickly, remain up to date, and can be scaled big enough to see what's going on with them.
- Multi-touch gestures. OK, this is a Unibody MacBook feature, not Leopard, but I bloody love it. I actually prefer using the touchpad to the mouse - never thought I'd say that before. Pinching to zoom, scrolling in any direction with two fingers, three fingers to go back/forwards, and four finger swipes to show the desktop or all the windows (Expose). It's ace - you can get so much done with so little effort.
Overall - I wouldn't go back to Tiger now. Not sure it was completely worth the upgrade on the Mac Mini - it wasn't fully compatible with my old, old versions of iPhoto and Garageband (scrolling and dragging went a bit wonky sometimes), and the sluggish performance of XCode 3 wasn't fun - but it kept me going for a few months before I could upgrade the hardware. On a more recent Mac it would have been well worth it.
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