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JMB Message #56378, posted by jmb at 20:26, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56350
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Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes

You should see NetSurf. :P
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Simon Wilson Message #56379, posted by ksattic at 20:50, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56378
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Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes

You should see NetSurf. :P
What is it with multi-line edit boxes? They're either deathly slow, broken, or they don't work quite how you'd expect (a la Toolbox). Is it an impossible task in RISC OS to make a decent multi-line edit box? :|
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Adrian Lees Message #56380, posted by adrianl at 20:54, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56364
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Perhaps I'm not understanding this, but by definition don't regular (tall-pixel) rectangular pixel modes give you less scan lines (and thus less text lines?

Fewer scan lines, yes. Fewer text lines, no, at least not in StrongED. At the command line, you get more (the system font's always rendered at 8x8, right?) and perhaps I could reconfigure StrongED but the low frame-rate keeps me away from 1024x768.

I'll get a nice LCD panel one day...
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Adrian Lees Message #56381, posted by adrianl at 20:55, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56378
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Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes

You should see NetSurf. :P

I have.... that's one of the reasons I asked you about the source code ;)

One other reason is that NetSurf's support for non-rectangular pixels (in OS units->pixel terms!) has been getting steadily worse ;) I have to keep changing into 1024 x 768 just to use NetSurf (and O2) :o
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Adrian Lees Message #56382, posted by adrianl at 21:00, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56379
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Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes

You should see NetSurf. :P


What is it with multi-line edit boxes? They're either deathly slow, broken, or they don't work quite how you'd expect (a la Toolbox). Is it an impossible task in RISC OS to make a decent multi-line edit box? :|

D'ya know, I nearly wrote that earlier! And it's not just on RISC OS, I have little respect for those in IE which redraw needlessly large areas IIRC....though they do at least allow text selection (hint, hint!) and clipboards operations.

It's something that requires more thought to get right and I think programmers tend to take the easy route :(

Browse does a much better job, BTW....maybe just using the ToolBox gadget? When you say 'a la Toolbox' do you mean that it does work as expected, or not?
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JMB Message #56383, posted by jmb at 21:04, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56381
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You should see NetSurf. :P

I have.... that's one of the reasons I asked you about the source code ;)

;)
One other reason is that NetSurf's support for non-rectangular pixels (in OS units->pixel terms!) has been getting steadily worse ;)

I blame hardcoded eigvalues (though in some places the correct ones are actually read. go figure) :o
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Simon Wilson Message #56384, posted by ksattic at 21:19, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56382
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When you say 'a la Toolbox' do you mean that it does work as expected, or not?
The last time I used the multi-line writable box Toolbox gadget, deselections didn't work as expected (kinda like deselecting text in writable icons in Select - try it) and it was fairly slow.

How can Ovation Pro/Impression/Zap/StrongEd be so quick yet simple multi-line writable icons are so slow? :frown:
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Andrew Poole Message #56385, posted by andypoole at 21:47, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56366

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Depends how you set the minotor up to stretch the image.
Minotours can do that?

Learn to spell :P

Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*
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Simon Wilson Message #56386, posted by ksattic at 22:15, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56385
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Depends how you set the minotor up to stretch the image.
Minotours can do that?

Learn to spell :P
No, he said minotor! Learn to copy! :P
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Chris Message #56387, posted by cterran at 22:17, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56350
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Oh, and O2 still doesn't correctly (never mind efficiently) redraw the text in edit boxes
Try the Lanai skin at the O2 Smartgroups site. Looks nicer, and improves the text-box handling a bit. And the drop-down hotlists are useful, too.
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Adrian Lees Message #56389, posted by adrianl at 22:30, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56383
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....source code

;)

Oh, one more question - what do you use to expand the tarball into a RISC OS friendly directory structure?

ie. so that NetSurf/riscos/about.c

comes out as NetSurf.riscos.c.about

AFAICS this is necessary even for GCC and personally I've always preferred having header and source files in separate directories since they usually have the same name (name.c/name.h). Surely there must be a better way than manually moving & renaming everything?! :o
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Chris Message #56390, posted by cterran at 22:40, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56389
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Oh, one more question - what do you use to expand the tarball into a RISC OS friendly directory structure?

ie. so that NetSurf/riscos/about.c

comes out as NetSurf.riscos.c.about
Try Peter Naulls' Reverser:

http://www.chocky.org/software/
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Phil Mellor Message #56391, posted by monkeyson2 at 22:45, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56386
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Depends how you set the minotor up to stretch the image.
Minotours can do that?

Learn to spell :P
No, he said minotor! Learn to copy! :P
The dictionary is a reflection, not a rulebook :)
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Adrian Lees Message #56392, posted by adrianl at 23:08, 29/6/2004, in reply to message #56385
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Depends how you set the minotor up to stretch the image.


Minotours can do that?

Learn to spell :P


Oh, look, somebody has to do it....

It's spelt minotaur :P :P :P

assuming you mean the man/bull beast from Greek mythology

Edit: somebody stole a word from my sentence! :o BTW, where do the tags ('b' , 'small' and friends) go when you try to edit a post?


[Edited by adrianl at 23:10, 29/6/2004]
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Richard Goodwin Message #56405, posted by rich at 10:05, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56385
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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*
Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)
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Phil Mellor Message #56407, posted by monkeyson2 at 10:27, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56405
monkeyson2Please don't let them make me be a monkey butler

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Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)
All part of Argonet's friendly new "customer service" :P
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Andrew Duffell Message #56408, posted by ad at 10:40, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56407
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Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)
All part of Argonet's friendly new "customer service" :P
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Andrew Poole Message #56410, posted by andypoole at 10:58, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56405

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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*
Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)
:o

*runs to post box, returns, grabs envelope, runs back to post box, posts, runs home, finishes typing this post*

:o
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Andrew Duffell Message #56412, posted by ad at 11:19, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56410
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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*

Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)


:o

*runs to post box, returns, grabs envelope, runs back to post box, posts, runs home, finishes typing this post*

:o


:andypoole: :heart: |paulvigay|

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Jeffrey Lee Message #56427, posted by Phlamethrower at 18:41, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56410
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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*
Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)
:o

*runs to post box, returns, grabs envelope, runs back to post box, posts, runs home, finishes typing this post*

:o
Did you remember the stamp? :P
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Adrian Lees Message #56430, posted by adrianl at 19:21, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56427
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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*

Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)


:o

*runs to post box, returns, grabs envelope, runs back to post box, posts, runs home, finishes typing this post*

:o


Did you remember the stamp? :P

In 3 days time the letter's going to arrive back through his letterbox because, in his haste, he wrote his own address on the envelope instead! :P
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Andrew Poole Message #56435, posted by andypoole at 20:32, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56430

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Andy. *Must remember to sign things and send emails tomorrow morning*

Yes, I believe the job offer expires Friday. If you don't have the documents on Christine's desk by then, you don't get to sleep with Paul Vigay ;)


:o

*runs to post box, returns, grabs envelope, runs back to post box, posts, runs home, finishes typing this post*

:o


Did you remember the stamp? :P

In 3 days time the letter's going to arrive back through his letterbox because, in his haste, he wrote his own address on the envelope instead! :P
Oh shit.
























Yes, I put :richardfoster:'s address on it, and I did put a stamp on it :P
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JMB Message #56436, posted by jmb at 22:18, 30/6/2004, in reply to message #56389
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Oh, one more question - what do you use to expand the tarball into a RISC OS friendly directory structure?

I'd use John Tytgat's CVS port to check it out, personally. It does all the hard work for you ;)

Anyway, have you got it built yet? You'll probably find that it asserts when opening the default page. If so, you'll need http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~jmb202/riscos/netsurf/parser.h 'cos the one on the developer site is out of date.
If you want to build with Norcroft, give us a shout and I'll see if I can remember how to prod the build system so it works ;) Either way, it all needs linking against Unixlib.
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